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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://openbah.com/archives/20060513/new-air-force-uniforms/comment-page-1#comment-30359</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dislike this new concept.  If anything I&#039;d say that the USAF go for a modern look, not an old look.  I&#039;m not an expert on fashion or uniforms, but the old style pockets and belt don&#039;t appeal to me and I do not think of WWI uniforms when i think USAF.  I don&#039;t know, it just seems contradictory that the newest branch of the military goes for the older look</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike this new concept.  If anything I&#8217;d say that the USAF go for a modern look, not an old look.  I&#8217;m not an expert on fashion or uniforms, but the old style pockets and belt don&#8217;t appeal to me and I do not think of WWI uniforms when i think USAF.  I don&#8217;t know, it just seems contradictory that the newest branch of the military goes for the older look</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for a uniform change.  I was on active duty when the AF came up with the pilot jacket uniform.  I thought it looked awful.  However, I do agree that the Marine&#039;s have the best uniform in the world.  To copy their uniform is wrong.  I do wish to see more pride in the Air Force uniform.  Futhermore I wish the AF would get more serious.  My case is this.  I was a basic training instructor, and I worked long hours and gave all I had to train the airmen correctly.  After they get to their duty station it all goes down the drain.  One of the reasons I ended my career was because of this.  I was serius about my DUTY. People who had more rank than me was NEVER called by their first name.  I was thought of as ate-up, hard core, need to step back and take a deep breath.  I hope that this has changed since my honorable discharge.  If the Air Force wants to emulate the Marines, do so in duty, attitude, dedication, and with pride.  When this is accompllished,  pride will be at an all time high and standards will rise AF wide.  Please don&#039;t get me wrong the Air Force is great and we do a great job but I do wish to see these changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for a uniform change.  I was on active duty when the AF came up with the pilot jacket uniform.  I thought it looked awful.  However, I do agree that the Marine&#8217;s have the best uniform in the world.  To copy their uniform is wrong.  I do wish to see more pride in the Air Force uniform.  Futhermore I wish the AF would get more serious.  My case is this.  I was a basic training instructor, and I worked long hours and gave all I had to train the airmen correctly.  After they get to their duty station it all goes down the drain.  One of the reasons I ended my career was because of this.  I was serius about my DUTY. People who had more rank than me was NEVER called by their first name.  I was thought of as ate-up, hard core, need to step back and take a deep breath.  I hope that this has changed since my honorable discharge.  If the Air Force wants to emulate the Marines, do so in duty, attitude, dedication, and with pride.  When this is accompllished,  pride will be at an all time high and standards will rise AF wide.  Please don&#8217;t get me wrong the Air Force is great and we do a great job but I do wish to see these changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Logsdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Logsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having served in the USAF from 1970 to 1974, I have a few novel suggestions.
1. What&#039;s wrong with going back to the old &quot;Cold War&quot; uniform? I found mine in the attic a few months ago and, compared to what the Air Force is wearing now, it looks great.

2. Don&#039;t try to copy the USMC. It&#039;s disrespectful. Stick with your Army/Air Force heritage.

3. Finally, the uniform isn&#039;t nearly as important as the person wearing it. Improve yourselves and any uniform you choose will look better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having served in the USAF from 1970 to 1974, I have a few novel suggestions.<br />
1. What&#8217;s wrong with going back to the old &#8220;Cold War&#8221; uniform? I found mine in the attic a few months ago and, compared to what the Air Force is wearing now, it looks great.</p>
<p>2. Don&#8217;t try to copy the USMC. It&#8217;s disrespectful. Stick with your Army/Air Force heritage.</p>
<p>3. Finally, the uniform isn&#8217;t nearly as important as the person wearing it. Improve yourselves and any uniform you choose will look better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt. Hughley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgt. Hughley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks good, I was in the Marines until 2006 and I think we have the best uniform and since this is similar i actually like it. It&#039;s not really a big deal its only a uniform for those who are getting an attitude or whining. We all serve this country in one way or another and its bad enough we make jokes and bash other branches of the military when we all are connected by the same commander in chief, the same UCMJ, the same pay scale and various other similarities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks good, I was in the Marines until 2006 and I think we have the best uniform and since this is similar i actually like it. It&#8217;s not really a big deal its only a uniform for those who are getting an attitude or whining. We all serve this country in one way or another and its bad enough we make jokes and bash other branches of the military when we all are connected by the same commander in chief, the same UCMJ, the same pay scale and various other similarities.</p>
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		<title>By: Corporal Manning USMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corporal Manning USMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t see the problem, I&#039;ve been serving with the air force and the other services as part of a joint task force over seas, can&#039;t say where, you know why. Now my big stink is that from what I have seen, the air force doesn&#039;t even like wearing the cammo uniforms in a combat enviroment. It&#039;s bad enough that their new PT gear sound like thunder when ever they walk anywhere, they want to take a MARINE uniform and butcher it too. The air force butchered their cammies by making a tiger stripe digital cammo, why do that. Even worse, some of these &quot;airmen&quot; that are complaining, are wearing tacky, bright red baseball caps in a COMBAT zone with their cammies. Real tactical. From what I heard from the real air force personel actually serving their country, most of the MOS&#039; are being cut back, airmen are being kicked out because there are too many airmen. If the air force wants something to fix, get rid of the college dorms the recruits stay in during BOOT CAMP, I stayed in a squad bay with close to 100 other men in my boot camp. If they honestly want to fix something, fix one thing that plagues the air &quot;force&quot;, have some of these fat bodies you plan on putting into MY DRESS BLUES, lose some of that weight. It&#039;s a joke seeing a fat bod wear any uniform close to the one I EARNED. SEMPER FI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see the problem, I&#8217;ve been serving with the air force and the other services as part of a joint task force over seas, can&#8217;t say where, you know why. Now my big stink is that from what I have seen, the air force doesn&#8217;t even like wearing the cammo uniforms in a combat enviroment. It&#8217;s bad enough that their new PT gear sound like thunder when ever they walk anywhere, they want to take a MARINE uniform and butcher it too. The air force butchered their cammies by making a tiger stripe digital cammo, why do that. Even worse, some of these &#8220;airmen&#8221; that are complaining, are wearing tacky, bright red baseball caps in a COMBAT zone with their cammies. Real tactical. From what I heard from the real air force personel actually serving their country, most of the MOS&#8217; are being cut back, airmen are being kicked out because there are too many airmen. If the air force wants something to fix, get rid of the college dorms the recruits stay in during BOOT CAMP, I stayed in a squad bay with close to 100 other men in my boot camp. If they honestly want to fix something, fix one thing that plagues the air &#8220;force&#8221;, have some of these fat bodies you plan on putting into MY DRESS BLUES, lose some of that weight. It&#8217;s a joke seeing a fat bod wear any uniform close to the one I EARNED. SEMPER FI</p>
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		<title>By: Ferg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it would appear that the other branches of the military (mos notably the army and air force), prefer to immulate the US Marine Corps uniforms.  The Marines were  the first  to have a distinct  cammo uniform, of their own.  Just because the uniforms look close to that of a Marine. It is the heritage and pride inside the person wear9ing the uniform counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it would appear that the other branches of the military (mos notably the army and air force), prefer to immulate the US Marine Corps uniforms.  The Marines were  the first  to have a distinct  cammo uniform, of their own.  Just because the uniforms look close to that of a Marine. It is the heritage and pride inside the person wear9ing the uniform counts.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to be kidding right?  I mean the Air Force are nothing but pencil pushers in my case.  They should of stayed under the Army instead of breaking off -- BAD MISTAKE!!!  Roughly about 75% of the Air Force are over weight and they want them to fit into a Marine Corps looking blouse!  What&#039;s wrong the Air Force couldn&#039;t come up with a new uniform that they had to steal the Marine Corps uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be kidding right?  I mean the Air Force are nothing but pencil pushers in my case.  They should of stayed under the Army instead of breaking off &#8212; BAD MISTAKE!!!  Roughly about 75% of the Air Force are over weight and they want them to fit into a Marine Corps looking blouse!  What&#8217;s wrong the Air Force couldn&#8217;t come up with a new uniform that they had to steal the Marine Corps uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope they don&#039;t go with this uniform. Our new ABU look gay enough as it is and now this. It Looks like a cheap star trak unifrom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope they don&#8217;t go with this uniform. Our new ABU look gay enough as it is and now this. It Looks like a cheap star trak unifrom.</p>
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		<title>By: Grimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be a snazzy pick for a uniform but how can we tell? 

Someone thump the AF public relations folk. Next time you want to showcase a uniform concept, have on hand a tailor that can actually fit a uniform to the body in question and a body that can dress itself a bit better than a slob.

Square away that line and get that rumple and errant crease crap cleaned up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be a snazzy pick for a uniform but how can we tell? </p>
<p>Someone thump the AF public relations folk. Next time you want to showcase a uniform concept, have on hand a tailor that can actually fit a uniform to the body in question and a body that can dress itself a bit better than a slob.</p>
<p>Square away that line and get that rumple and errant crease crap cleaned up.</p>
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		<title>By: Openbah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Openbah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Stars and Stripes:

ARLINGTON, Va. — After hearing a planeload of complaints about the “bus driver” look of the Air Force’s dress blue uniform, Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley has launched a project to find out what airmen might like to wear instead.

To start the discussion, the Air Force Uniform Board has created two prototypes for airmen to critique, each based on the garb favored by two of the service’s most famous men: Billy Mitchell, who is often called the “father of American airpower,” and Hap Arnold, the modern Air Force’s first general.
Airmen have almost universally loathed the dress uniform since 1991, when Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Merrill McPeak overhauled the jacket to reflect what he said was a “cleaner” appearance.

The most common complaint is that the resulting uniform looks “like a cheap business suit,” Senior Master Sgt. Dana Athnos, a member of the Air Force Uniform Board.

“When a Marine walks through the airport, everyone knows he’s in the military,” Athnos told Stars and Stripes on Thursday.

“But when [airmen] walk through the airport, people think we’re wearing business suits, or we’re flight attendants — it just doesn’t have a military appearance, compared to the other services.”

After Moseley was sworn in as the Air Force’s chief of staff in September, he directed the Uniform Board to begin the long process of adopting a new uniform, “using our heritage as a starting point,” Athnos said.

The resulting Mitchell prototype includes a distinctive stand-up collar, similar to the collar on the Marine Corps dress mess uniform and reflective of the World War I, Prussian military influence that dominated U.S. military uniforms in Mitchell’s time.

The Hap Arnold prototype has a belt, a vented back, wide lapels, and is “stitch-for-stitch identical” to the World War II Army Air Corps’ “pinks and greens” uniform, Athnos said.

The Uniform Board will select a new dress uniform using the same process it used to choose the new Airman’s Battle Uniform, Athnos said.

The next step is send a survey to hundreds of airmen, asking for their opinions on the dress uniform. The survey should be out within the next 60 days, she said.

The Air Force is also planning to set up a Web site that will be open to anyone who wants to comment on the issue, either inside or outside the service.

In the meantime, the Air Force has set up a special feedback e-mail address just for Stripes readers: uniformfeedback@pentagon.af.mil (see more details at end of story).

This fall, the Uniform Board will meet and discuss all of the feedback, Athnos said. The prototype uniforms will then be changed accordingly, and the results sent to a select group of airmen for wear testing, and the feedback process will begin again.

Like the utility uniform, the dress uniform will go through many changes before Air Force leadership decides to adopt a final look, Athnos said.

“The important thing for people to remember is that nothing is set in stone yet,” she said. “Absolutely everything is on the table,” including the precise color of the fabric, the color, shape, and design of the buttons, pocket placement, the belt question, the collar – “gazillions of details.”

“We can go anywhere or nowhere with this,” Athnos said. “Gen. Moseley is very concerned with making sure this us what the service wants.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Stars and Stripes:</p>
<p>ARLINGTON, Va. — After hearing a planeload of complaints about the “bus driver” look of the Air Force’s dress blue uniform, Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley has launched a project to find out what airmen might like to wear instead.</p>
<p>To start the discussion, the Air Force Uniform Board has created two prototypes for airmen to critique, each based on the garb favored by two of the service’s most famous men: Billy Mitchell, who is often called the “father of American airpower,” and Hap Arnold, the modern Air Force’s first general.<br />
Airmen have almost universally loathed the dress uniform since 1991, when Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Merrill McPeak overhauled the jacket to reflect what he said was a “cleaner” appearance.</p>
<p>The most common complaint is that the resulting uniform looks “like a cheap business suit,” Senior Master Sgt. Dana Athnos, a member of the Air Force Uniform Board.</p>
<p>“When a Marine walks through the airport, everyone knows he’s in the military,” Athnos told Stars and Stripes on Thursday.</p>
<p>“But when [airmen] walk through the airport, people think we’re wearing business suits, or we’re flight attendants — it just doesn’t have a military appearance, compared to the other services.”</p>
<p>After Moseley was sworn in as the Air Force’s chief of staff in September, he directed the Uniform Board to begin the long process of adopting a new uniform, “using our heritage as a starting point,” Athnos said.</p>
<p>The resulting Mitchell prototype includes a distinctive stand-up collar, similar to the collar on the Marine Corps dress mess uniform and reflective of the World War I, Prussian military influence that dominated U.S. military uniforms in Mitchell’s time.</p>
<p>The Hap Arnold prototype has a belt, a vented back, wide lapels, and is “stitch-for-stitch identical” to the World War II Army Air Corps’ “pinks and greens” uniform, Athnos said.</p>
<p>The Uniform Board will select a new dress uniform using the same process it used to choose the new Airman’s Battle Uniform, Athnos said.</p>
<p>The next step is send a survey to hundreds of airmen, asking for their opinions on the dress uniform. The survey should be out within the next 60 days, she said.</p>
<p>The Air Force is also planning to set up a Web site that will be open to anyone who wants to comment on the issue, either inside or outside the service.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the Air Force has set up a special feedback e-mail address just for Stripes readers: <a href="mailto:uniformfeedback@pentagon.af.mil">uniformfeedback@pentagon.af.mil</a> (see more details at end of story).</p>
<p>This fall, the Uniform Board will meet and discuss all of the feedback, Athnos said. The prototype uniforms will then be changed accordingly, and the results sent to a select group of airmen for wear testing, and the feedback process will begin again.</p>
<p>Like the utility uniform, the dress uniform will go through many changes before Air Force leadership decides to adopt a final look, Athnos said.</p>
<p>“The important thing for people to remember is that nothing is set in stone yet,” she said. “Absolutely everything is on the table,” including the precise color of the fabric, the color, shape, and design of the buttons, pocket placement, the belt question, the collar – “gazillions of details.”</p>
<p>“We can go anywhere or nowhere with this,” Athnos said. “Gen. Moseley is very concerned with making sure this us what the service wants.”</p>
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